On Mon, 17 Oct 1994, Steve Davis wrote: > possible if a) you have source, and b) you're a competant enough > programmer to #ifdef the necessary bits of code into oblivion. > > Unfortunatly, a) is rarely true. It'd be nice if vendors would ship > their products secure. excuse me, but FLAME ON! BUGGER the vendors. what with FreeBSD, linux, NetBSD, 4.4BSD Lite and the rest of source code available UNIX operating systems. get the source. read the source. use the source. after all its ours now! the owner-de-jour of the code has declared 4.4BSD Lite free of taint. flame off. anyone want to create drop in replacement packages for sun, sgi and the rest of the hardware vendors? jmb Jonathan M. Bresler jmb@kryten.atinc.com | Analysis & Technology, Inc. | 2341 Jeff Davis Hwy play go. | Arlington, VA 22202 ride bike. hack FreeBSD.--ah the good life | 703-418-2800 x346